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James spider mark. you heard the pentagon on this russian commander. they expect more of the same when it comes to bombing campaigns and brutality towards civilians. if the russian strategy is to secure or control the donbas area, what city or area do you see as the next major point of the conflict? we lost spider right there. we're going to try to get spider back in just a moment. just ahead, the story of a russian teacher whose crime was t to tell her students the truth about the war. details when we return.

As we told you all morning, the president is at odds with his military brass, national security team over syria. cnn learning the president became irritated with advisers who warned him about the risks of immediately withdrawing u.s. troops from syria. joining us brigadier general, author of "direct fire" tony tatum and retired general james spider mark. good morning to both of you. spider, let me start with you. you had a president who made a commitment to defeat isis at all costs. isis has certainly been dialed way back and eroded. he also said he would not telegraph what his military moves ...

Digging deeper with counter-terrorism analyst phillip mudd, a long serving veteran of the fbi and cia, and retired army major general james spider mark. james, you say the u.s. should be less on getting back territory and more on leadership positions in isis. and whether or not they have safe havens. >> i think that's true. i followed these guys for 25 years. you follow them in somalia and yemen, you start to learn lessons. they're coming over the barricades, boston or new york or chicago, two things you would be thinking if you were in my old position. first is when the battle lines start to ...

Baghdad southward with the shia and what is left of iraq. and that's bad for the region. >> and jessica, quickly, does that mean isis in the meantime continues to strengthen then? >> yes, i think that it does. i think they have many phases of many campaigns that they have executed prior to this one such that my imagination run versus quickly to what else most dangerously they could be yet capable to do. but i think even the most conservative assessments hold that they gained strength over the course of this most recent offensive. if only through the military equipment that they have been able ...