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Wonder around, gunning people down and not face arrest because they were acting in self-defense or standing their ground is louis chris. >> one of the things that come from this very tragic situation and regardless of what happens, i think we all agree there is a tragedy this 17-year-old lost his life. >> absolutely. >> i don't think there is any, any dispute on that. but i will tell you, piers, i think that one of the best things that will happen out of this is that there will be a discussion now about stand your ground because we haven't heard the last of this. i mean, we got another case co...

Hatchet, host of the judge hatchet show and alex and host of judge alex and jane and marc lamont hill. welcome to you-all. what a stellar panel i must say. jeffrey toobin, let me start with you. when you hear ben crump talk like that, it's very hard to see how this jury can basically say to george zimmerman, i think off you go? >> i don't know. i think this jump will do exactly what they think is right. you know, one of the things you don't realize about a sequestered jury is that they really are sequestered is say i had no idea the whole country was following this. i think the initial sign we...

A teenager was killed, and i think that we have to really get very serious about where we are because this can go far further than any of us could ever anticipate in this country. >> jane wine trap do you agree with that. >> gun control and zero happened in sandy hook and aurora, why should i have confidence anything will change? >> stand your ground is a terrible law. i think it's -- >> it's a license to kill people. >> i think it's an awful law. [ applause ] >> i think at the same time when we look at this case, that the jury is out on, we have to focus on the evidence. and as hard as it is,...

Thank you very much indeed for joining me. i want to bring in my special guest tonight. jeffrey toobin and judge glenda hatchet, host of the judge hatchet show and alex and host of judge alex and jane and marc lamont hill. welcome to you-all. what a stellar panel i must say. jeffrey toobin, let me start with you. when you hear ben crump talk like that, it's very hard to see how this jury can basically say to george zimmerman, i think off you go? >> i don't know. i think this jump will do exactly what they think is right. you know, one of the things you don't realize about a sequestered jury ...

Trying to refute -- >> flordia. >> the state is trying to refute a case that they cannot even prove. that is what is going on -- >> no, no, no, actually, no, that's not -- that's actually not is what is happening. the state is making a defense and the -- >> really they are making a case? >> let me finish -- let me -- let me finish the thought before you disagree. the fact of the matter is that george zimmerman got out of his car against police orders. not -- >> that's not a crime. excuse me, that is not a crime. that -- >> you're -- >> that's a factor -- >> the factor -- >> i'm schismly respon...