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When he got in there, i think he brought order in. and i think they needed some management help. eventually i don't know what went on. there is a lot of questions whether jared got money from pascal or they stole money from the digital buys in 2016 or something that will have to come out. i have no idea by the way. but i would say that jared was somebody who was never mentioned to me by the president and when he got more closer, the thing that i would say, chuck, is that jared got involved in that when it looks like trump would win when he would be successful. bu because when i was there and e...

Still will control the campaign in 2020. and that is a joke in itself and i could guarantee you, chuck, that brad pascal will not be the campaign manager when the campaign actually goes off. that that is just a scheme by matt drudge and jared. >> and let me ask you this. you have been very close to donald trump, not as you just admitted, you are not a big fan of jared kushner. >> correct. >> what is donald trump's relationship with jared kushner. >> that is a good question. i could tell you one, i've never spoken to jared directly. i've said hello to him a couple of times in trump tower. i thi...

When he's -- when there are people around him. >> but you know, chuck -- >> for headlines. and paul manafort, he got fired not for his connections because they made it on to the front page of the new york times. >> i don't know and here is a question as an observer. i think jared will get indicted for something. i don't know what it is. my question is did the president want to keep jared around or have him leave the white house and go be charlie, jared's father where he could then turn on the president. and that is going to be one the big deciding factors. u ultimately where the investigation ...

Made yesterday that she was leaving. she is somebody who i would have thought and you have dealt with her, that she would be there in perpetuity. and i don't know what is going on. the only thing i -- to say about hope all of the time is that everybody will say well hope has this job because she's beautiful and donald trump likes to have beautiful women around him and she's talented and capable and has the ability for that job. so her announcing she was leaving because of the porter issue, and because of what happened with her testimony, i think that there is a problem there. along with rafael...

Fledge ling business. and that's -- >> and you are alleging more than that. clint clinton cache didn't have that -- >> i'm saying he was trying to raise money for the buildings that are the worst real estate investment in the history of real estate. and i think was. and i think he was and i think it is coming back -- >> do you have evidence. >> i don't have evidence. this is just -- this is just me knowing what i read. and knowing what i hear. and the other thing by the way, too, is let's be honest here, when matt drudge, who is jared's best friend and his p.r. agent announces in the morning t...