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Will you put in context how unprprecedented for someone like that to meet with white house attorneys. >> this is out outrageous and unprecedented. they're always masters of projection, always accuse our side of what they themselves are guilty of. this is crossing a line on top of crossing a line here of what is legally an ethically appropriate. president trump is the leading presidential candidate for 2024. joe biden's chief political rival and they're weaponized and they have been for a long time but certainly in this case they weaponized the doj to go after that chief political rival. also, ...

S.w.a.t. team raid of mar-a-lago in the documents case so we're talking about a conflict of interest on top of a conflict of interest here. if there's any kind of case that cries out for a real special counsel, one that is outside of the government, unlike this latest focused one from merrick garland and joe biden's doj, it is this kind of case. so they're clearly involved here and i think judge cannon who is overseeing this documents case in florida, she should demand that all of the records and communications related to all of these meetings including jay brat's meetings and discussions at t...

Involved in joe biden's office coordinated or met with the special counsel, prosecutor jack smith, before the indictment of donald trump. >> they met before and after the naming of the special counsel. i think we can take a visual of the time line. jay brat, who is in the white house counsel's office, the lawyers for the white house effectively met multiple times with people who were about to be a part of the special counsel, and then the key one is on the right there, march 31st, there was a third meeting held but this is after the special counsel was created and the intention of a special co...

Lead. you had trustee and rally being removed from the legal team. what's the strategy here? >> the strategy is just to find a lawyer who will take the case in florida. the problem is as respected as his new lawyer is, he's not an expert in the field of national security. we lawyers are specialists. they're going against jay brat, who's the head of the department of justice's counterintelligence information. you want to bring your a-game, and you don't want to bring someone new to this area. that's what happens with donald trump. lawyers are reluctant to work for him. remember the attorney bro...

Deceive. i think this is a very strong case. >> and so, barb, there is an indication from assistant special counsel jay brat that this case will take 21 days for the parties to try, and winning that from the indictment itself. let's talk about a timeline, because people want to know when this case is going to get to a jury trial, giving a bit of grace here or there for some type of delays. when you think we can reasonably anticipate seeing a jury trial in this particular case? >> well, you know, katie, some cases are incredibly complex and take a long time to litigate and get through discovery...