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potentially multiple federal indictments. >> it's not a sure thing. >> i'm like, oh, really, you really think biden can beat him? >> nothing's a sure thing. but it's also like if you're trying to get the least popular figure as your nominee, donald trump is definitely that. that's just what the data say. >> that is what the data says. all right, my friend, have a wonderful evening. >> and thanks to you at home for joining us this evening. if you are a republican running for president in 2024, there is one question that you know you are going to have to answer. what do you think of do...

Repeated so frequently that responsibly running a city requires planning for stunts like these. joining me now is tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign and now writer at large for the bulwark. thanks for being here tonight. i think the experience you had working with jeb bush is so critical in a moment like this when we try to understand how this sort of cruelty, the expense, the gamesmanship, that all of this became good optics for republicans seeking higher office. i mean how did we get to this point? >> things change and jeb on how seriously to...

Anybody. i've done 22 so far and counting. we'll be back next week. this is what i'm hearing from people on the ground in inew hampshire, in enough of donald's success and carly's success and jeb's family. i want to hear about my family. not so much a moderator, but reorient it to try to get the folks thinking about what they should be thinking about. when you walk in the oval office in january 2017, i want the american people confident that i've heard them and that my actions are what i've heard from them what i believe in my heart. >> did you hear somebody say something that you never heard ...

Why was that so insulting? >> i think donald trump has absolutely tried to castigate folks. and he tried in this case. his values are what he is, and what he believes. i thought governor bush pointed that out clearly. >> he was looking to his right last night a lot which is where trump is. how about looking to his left. with carly fiorina. carly fiorina ate a lot of people's lunch on that stage last night. she was strong and aggressive. she did to trump what i guess you were trying to do with governor jeb bush. she went right at him. what did you think? >> i thought carly had a good night. i t...

Things in your exclusive focus groups up in new hampshire. one, jeb bush's people have a lot to worry about. they just do. you look at a lot of polls. he's upside-down in approval ratings. in a poll i saw yesterday, only chris christie is worse off. and then you looked at your focus groups and you had republicans that just weren't interested in voting for jeb on. on the democratic side they were all going to vote for hillary but they're concerned about hillary and the scandals or the controversies. what did you find out about, say, candidates like rand paul and scott walker? >> so look bush ha...