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>> so make it plain, what is the law? how does it read? >> if somebody is in a persistent vegetative state, in a coma, not when somebody is clinically dead. you can't say we're talking about life support, when every state in the union defines her as dead. >> do you think this will be reversed in a court? >> i don't know. i think particularly in texas, where there is this intense opposition to abortion and anything that would limit the life of a fetus, i wouldn't want to predict how this would come out. >> how can a dead person bring a live baby to birth? >> there are two categories of death. b...

Child gets to live. >> you do not get to choose -- >> let me finish. i do think that this is about a right to life with the parent. we've never seen this before where the mother is the one who is not able to say she wants an abortion or not. it's not cut and dry, this conversation. >> she was a paramedic. she faced on a daily basis life and death issues. she discussed this at length -- >> so she discussed this -- >> she did -- here the way the law is written, the law -- the hospital is interpreting the law that they have to keep her alive in spite of what the -- i will make a prediction. jeff ...

That they have to keep her alive in spite of what the -- i will make a prediction. jeff is notoriously bad about predictions. but they now have lawyers. i believe these lawyers are going to go into federal court, get a judge to order that they honor the wishes -- they'll give notice, they'll be there the following day. >> they actually had a conversation, if she were pregnant? >> we don't know that. >> that's why it's so very important here. >> the family is saying she wanted to be taken off life support. i would suggest to everyone that particular conversation wasn't had. >> one at a time. >>...

Where there is this intense opposition to abortion and anything that would limit the life of a fetus, i wouldn't want to predict how this would come out. >> how can a dead person bring a live baby to birth? >> there are two categories of death. brain death, which she is, and then there is circulatory, whether you have the vascular -- >> we're talking about semantics. the bottom line is, you have a child -- because i disagree with you, jeff. a 20-week-old. >> they don't know, because they feel -- or they can sense a heart beat. they don't know -- remember, this is a woman who lost oxygen for a ...

If there is hope that this child can be born and living a life, i think that person needs to be protected. >> every pregnant woman has a life within them that has a chance to live. some women choose to end that. that's her choice. >> she didn't make that choice. >> she made a choice to inform her husband that she didn't want to be kept alive. >> you've got her husband, her father, and the idea that we're sitting here in new york dictating to this family what should happen with this woman who is dead, and as i agree with jeff, it's ghoulish. >> i'm just simply trying to defend the other human b...