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Dangerous for crhristianity because it repels people. >> you make clear in this book you support a lot of the things donald trump has done as president. given that, though, and in summation, why isn't it in your mind worth it as someone who is a strong conservative evangelical christian. why isn't it worth it? >> the first thing i would say what i find interesting about the backlash i get from evangelicals on that point you just made, is that i am taking the exact position pat robinson, jerry fallwell took about clinton in the '90s. it didn't matter about the economy and the peace dividend, no...

America illegally. i have always said we are a nation of laws. and the first thing you should do when you come to america is should not be illegal. but if we now are closing the gates to this country for even those seeking asylum, and then callously saying that because their skin is brown that they mean less to jesus, they mean less to god than white kids, that is a perverted and twisted faith that has absolutely no connection, no connection to what jesus taught in the gospels. it reminds me, yesterday, russell moore, thank god for russell moore, with the southern baptist church talked about t...

Jerry fallwell said that, first of all, russell said the reports of the conditions for migrant children at the borders should shock all of our consciousness, those created in the image of god should be treated with a dignity and compassion especially those seeking refuge from the violence back home. we can do better than this. russell lifted that directly from matthew 25, he lifted it directly from the story of the good samaritan to which jerry falwell jr. shamefully wrote, who are you dr. moore, have you ever made a payroll. >> what the heck is he talking about. >> have you ever built an orga...

Democrats. there were genuine ticket splitters. >> before you call it the good old days. before people say people were tougher on barack obama because he was black. jerry fallwell, the main player in evangelical politics accused bill clinton publicly of murder. >> i'm aware. >> that was pretty bad. >> but i'm not talking about, when i talk about the polarization thing, i'm not talking about the vitriol level, a lot on clinton, bush, on obama, different kinds but just the degree to which the polarization is a different phenomenon whereby, no longer room for people in america who vote for both p...

Working and writing for leaders in the growing evangelical movement. >> i had written for billy graham, jerry fall will, the works. i knew jerry fallwell very personally because he asked for strength for your journey. by the time i came out, nobody would answer the phone calls, it was over. >> but during the years white was on speaking terms with fall will, he saw firsthand how he built his base. >> jerry says, we have to get evangelicals involved in politics so we can get rid of these gay people who are influencing government. they realized that evangelicals were a voting base. that they had ...