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Great. great to see you. thank you very much. so what would happen if we abolish i.c.e. as many democrats as of tonight are calling for to us do. jessica studies this question full time and is the director of policy study for immigration study and she joins us now. jessica, we are moving toward, the national conversation moving toward consensus on the left to abolish i.c.e. if we did, what would happen? >> well, the effect is that there would be no rules or limits on immigration. it would be de facto open borders. that is what some of the people on the left want. at least they're honest enough...

Them out. great. great to see you. thank you very much. so what would happen if we abolish i.c.e. as many democrats as of tonight are calling for to us do. jessica studies this question full time and is the director of policy study for immigration study and she joins us now. jessica, we are moving toward, the national conversation moving toward consensus on the left to abolish i.c.e. if we did, what would happen? >> well, the effect is that there would be no rules or limits on immigration. it would be de facto open borders. that is what some of the people on the left want. at least they're hon...