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>> you know, i think it is. there's a couple ways to look at the sanders candidacy. i think, first of all, you look at all the other democrats who are out there, several of them potentially to run against hillary clinton, martin o'malley, lincoln chaffy, jim web. and i think right now the only one who demonstrated any real traction against hillary clinton already is bernie sanders. he's already sort of separated himself from them. we'll see if he can continue that separation and make that more permanent and get a one-on-one race. the other thing to keep in mind, too, is when you tack about hil...

Spot there. let's bring in larry sabato. thank you for being with me. >> reporter: thank you jose. >> so hillary clinton has knocked off the entire second tier is this. >> well we left the second tier open to make a point and the point is that among the people who are talking about getting into the race it's difficult to imagine any one of them bumping off hillary clinton for the nomination. now, look if vice president buy den surprised everybody and got into the race he doesn't look like he's going to but it only takes waking up one morning and deciding you're going to do it he could certainl...

In democratic circles and doesn't do particularly well at it. it is something that is not easy for a lot of politicians. they hate something being uncertain, and when you walk out among the voters anything can happen. clinton is usually quite restrained in those type of situations, but by making it small it serves her purpose. they need to get out in iowa and new hampshire and really mix it up. with martin o'malley, jim web, bernie sanders, maybe they can really get serious buzz going for them. hillary clinton is going to have to acknowledge the huge immensity of her campaign. republicans woul...

Said to me after i asked him a question about it. >> hillary clinton is having a press conference about her e-mails and her lack of transparency. has she been transparent enough in dealing with this issue and what would you like to see personally? >> i think that is between her and you all. she's going to have a hearing this afternoon and i think it is a good time for her to be clear. >> so there you see jim webb not trying to go after secretary clinton saying it was between her and the media. and that was echoed by martin o'malley. i asked him directly and he said he had no opinion or comment...

Past. thomas. >> kelly stand by. and we'll check in with nbc's luke russert. and i jones me from -- he joins me from capitol hill. and you were out at the firefighter's forum. and some there were taking jabs and making fodder of this e-mail and some were remaining mum. i think you had to speak to martin o'malley. >> reporter: yeah thomas. it was interesting. some of the republican firefighter's forum, they were taking jabs and george pet aki making jokes. but bernie sanders, jim web, martin o'malley, interestingly enough, even though it was teed-up, none of them took advantage of the situation...