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And there is no denying his ability to snow a large percentage of the american public, he is really not good doing that when he is in a sort of legal jam. a really good example of that is that e. jean carroll case where some of the very worse evidence came from donald trump's own mouth during the under oath deposition where he had to answer questions and did so quite poorly. and sean hannity, you know, in the clips you played, is clearly trying to lead him to the right thing to say that donald trump thinks he knows better. and, you know, that's going to get him in trouble and it series of case...

But that was not at all clear to that silenced audience who already had declared themselves to all be trump supporters. leading off our discussion tonight is charles blow, columnist for the new york times, and msnbc political analyst. also with us andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel, and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. and andrew, let's get through the legal points on this interview first of which there are basically zero because sean hannity asked the right question, donald trump ran away from it like it was a house on fire there. let me get...

Party opponent, so the rules of evidence allowed that, even if donald trump says i am not going to testify. of course, it is a criminal defendant, everyone needs to understand he is absolutely no obligation at all to testify, and the jury would be told that it cannot be used against him in a criminal case. that is the reason it can come into evidence. >> charles blow, i want to read a passage that you wrote, that we saw i think on full display tonight in iowa. you said trump allows his supporters to feel and express their full range of motion. he entertains them. he channels that rage. he refl...

Chinese goods brought to the united states are paid in the united states by us. we, the americans, who consume the chinese goods, are paying the tariffs. they are sales tax on things we bought from china. donald trump always described those tariffs as something china pays to the united states treasurer, and of course, we are paying them to the united states treasury. he then says he took that money from china, which it wasn't, and gave it to iowa farmers. and everyone in that audience, possibly none of whom are actually farmers, because they actually know the truth of this. they all come up as...

Entitled to have a trial on these issues before the election. donald trump's entitled to his day in court. the american public is entitled to know the answer from a jury about whether he is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, unanimously or not. and that is something that you really don't want to have linger. so, i think it's going to be a real internal clock built by jack smith and his team, as well as the attorney general, to the extent that he is hearing an appeal from donald trump as to whether he would overrule what jack smith is recommending, and to really do this quickly, and to try to brin...