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She had just married joe biden when he was a senator. they went over to the uk to meet her and she said she was warm then, but the meeting they had together last summer, dr. biden said to to me on the phone, was really impactful for her. she said she was so inspired by her curiosity. she kept asking joe question after question about american politics. and she called her gra grandmotherly. i know the president said she reminded him of her mother, but the first lady said she was more grandmotherly. she insisted on getting them the tea. and they said, we'll get it, we'll get it, you sit, and she ...

Just as much as obama's family is appealing to leadership. is it not? >> joe question about it. sort of idealism in the way he talked about things. the real question is again is this the -- now it will be is this the romney plan pore the ryan plan? it gives an opening as much as the visual and the optices and the way people respond to the ryan family, i think there is now in the early stages the first hours the day the whole bus trip how they define this how they define the fight on medicare and some of these issues are really going to matter. one thing i look for the on-line dollars this ryan...