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Directly. i mean, it's as close to government direct democracy as you can get. it's a -- and yet the people hate their democracy. >> yeah. >> it's a machine -- the california government is a machine for generating contempt for elected officials. but getting people into positions of authority, but not really very much real authority and then blaming them for the fact that the real problem is cultural. the people are getting what they want. they want services and they don't want to pay for them. >> that's really the point. california got itself into this bind by making it impossible to raise tax...

Series. also a couple games in the national league. phillies and cardinals tied at a game each. that series back in st. louis now. and the late game, milwaukee can sweep the diamondbacks in arizona. >> how good are the brewers? >> brewers are good. >> very good. they are very good, joe. prince fielder, pretty good pitching, great reliever. very good club. >> good town too. konchts th >> could they push the phillies to the wall? >> sure. >> they could. >> milwaukee is a fabulous town. >> great town. football last night colts and bucs playing espn's monday night game. if you've been watching foo...

Will make it's arguable that they saved the country from worse. it probably isn't enough to really make the case when the country wants something better than that. my feeling all along, joe, that basically from the beginning they went for kind of gimmickry and short-term measures, the stimulus and then another temporary tax cut and this jobs plan is another gimmick. it's not real. >> that's not just an indictment on -- your indictment isn't just with barack obama in this book. it's with all politicians. i agree a hundred percent. they're worried about what we do to choose the numbers for the n...

Compared president obama earlier in the day on a news program to adolph hitler. >> okay. >> you remember the golf game they had, ladies and gentlemen? >> yeah. >> remember the golf game? that was one of the biggest political mistakes ever. >> you mean when john boehner played golf with president obama? >> oh, yeah. yeah. and biden and kasich, yeah. mm-hmm. >> what did you not like about it? it seems to be a pivotal moment for you. >> come on. come on. that would be like hitler playing golf with netanyahu. okay? >> okay. >> not hardly. i'm glad you don't, brother, because a lot of people do. th...

And once and for all provide small businesses and start up businesses with access to cash and credit that they've been unable to get from the banks. >> howard, what -- >> i think the answer to your -- go ahead, joe. >> i was going to follow up on willie's question and just ask what's wrong with washington, d.c.? what's wrong? >> well, i think, you know, i don't want to in any way criticize the president or one party versus the other but as you and i have discussed, there clearly is a situation in which ideology and re-election is the lens in which people are seeing their role and responsibilit...