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Conversation about economic justice. looking towards 2014, i'm excited about the october meeting of bishops. you know, pope francis has decried trickle down economics. what we need is a little bit of trickle down transformation. here in the u.s. bishops are still firing church workers and catholic schoolteachers for being gay or being pregnant. they're still wasting political capital, to go to e.j.'s point on abortion and contraception, anti-gay advocacy. they're still living kind of these extraordinarily lavish lifestyles as we saw in newark recently. so there's a lot of change still to come....

Whistle-blowers.org. e.j. dionne is a columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor. kate charles graham is a columnist for the young reporters series, and good morning to all of you. >> good morning. you have a magazine that's actually called the fan-zine. this is unbelievable. the viewership on vatican tv is up 40%. what's going on here, father? >> what a difference a year makes. his wonderful personality, the sense of his jesuit heritage, faith doing justice. this is a momentous time for the church. it's a new springtime. i wasn't born in vanity cal ii, but i feel like when the ...

Again. it's an exciting time to be catholic. >> there are some hard questions too, and i think that was emphasized by cardinal dolan this morning. the message, the way he's delivering his message is different, but the rules of the church don't change. here areas cardinal dolan. >> the way it's presented and the discipline of the church, as a lot of things catholics do that are doctrinal, that are disciplinary, part of our style, our strategy, part of our methodology. that he can and will change. >> so as a gay woman, kate, two groups that have felt disenfranchised, what is your take on francis...

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