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Former treasury secretary paulson. >> we were all misled. he said they were going after the toxic assets. the toxic assets were the housing market. he testified to that. i mean, we were all misled. what did he do then? started pumping money into the financial institutions. now the financial institutions are fine. wall street is doing great. main street is in deep trouble. >> so it came as a shock. >> i'm confused. i remember at the time because we had congressman john chatig on the show and he was very concerned. he didn't fall for that. >> and also under the same arizona delegation, and john ...

And we had the big discussion. i remember very public, about how the money could go about the banks and the insurance companies. whether or not you agree with this. it could be amplified throughout the economy. that was a public debate. to say you were ignore ant of that discussion, is disingenuous. >> sure, they move the money around, but we had people like john chatig coming on saying that it was too vague. all of these things were debated in real time. but john mccain is scared of j.d. hayworth. >> he has a primary, and i'm not going to try and get into mccain's head and see what he knew or...

Pushed tax increases off to 2018 on these plans. no cost savings. it is -- he's paid off all the big special interests in washington, d.c. behind closed doors. it requires everybody to buy health insurance and there's nothing on the other side to contain those costs. >> so give the gop a month and tell them to come up with their plan. >> they have a plan. anybody that watched the summit the other day knows it's simple. start with tort reform, you save $54 billion. >> that's where you start? start with tort reform. i don't agree with that. >> let me finish, john. and then we'll go to you. you n...

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