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Personal ger h perjure himself. they did a mock interview. trump failed and in the book he described trump as a quote, f'ing liar and he would end up in an orange jump suit if he testified. doud then goes to mueller and what happened and how crucial is this moment? >> the quote in this book that the president would end up in an orange jump suit, woodward reports that john doud actually said that directly to the president. he didn't say the bleeping liar to him. woodward reports that's what he was thinking but couldn't say, but he's so convinced that the president is incapable of telling the tr...

Legendary journalist bob woodward is how john kelly describes life inside trump's white house. kelly painting a damning portrait of the west wing and the man occupying the oval office. cnn obtained a copy of the book yet to be released titled "fear." and what is described in the 448 pages, well, i said it last night, i'll say it again, there's a lot. top aides spending their day trying to circumvent the president ignoring orders, hiding information, even swiping documents from the president's desk and that is really just the tip of the iceberg. according to the deeply sourced book, kelly goes ...

He reenacted a mock interview they conducted with their client. in this mock interview, the president lied, stumbled, contradicted himself, lost his cool. here's what the president's lawyer at the time john dow reportedly told mueller. i'm not going to sit there and let the president look like an idiot and you publish the transcript because everything leaks in ball game and the guys overseas are going to say i told you he was an idiot, i told you he was a gd dumbbell. what are we dealing with this idiot for. he said he told the president don't testify, it is that or an orange jump suit. anybod...

Evidenced by remarks that have been published. >> here's what i'm trying to figure out, again, i'm not a lawyer. and i try not to play one on tv. but it seems to me john dowd and ty cobb confirmed to robert mueller that he obstructed justice. i am trying to figure it out, steve kornacki. they would be willing to go to mueller and say he is going to perjure himself, everything he is going to tell you is a lie, that means every other witness is more credible than him, which means -- i mean -- >> what was interesting there was supposedly the response that came back from mueller to that, which was...

Trying to figure out, how is that good legal representation for the president? it is one thing to go through the process, another thing to tell bob mueller, man, you're going to kill him. >> they will do that, they'll tell the prosecution look, my client is not -- we're not prepared to put my client in front of you for these reasons, and the prosecution may to your point go okay, or prosecution may go we really want that. >> bottom line is bob mueller is thinking about what he can prove or put in a report as evidence to prove auctiobstruction, not necessarily the private conversation. he would...