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Son's, john feeheri, because fdr before he was elected president did the new deal in new york and when he got elected president he carried out the deal nationwide. it's fair to assume someone will done what they've done before nationwide. they may encourage it to be done state by state, but they want the individual mandate as a principle. is romney for or against the concept of an individual mandate? us taking responsibility as joan said for our own health care to the extent we can? is he for it or against it? >> let me say this. barack obama was against the individual mandate when he campaign...

And the problem with the obama care is it's a nationwide program and the big federal bureaucracy, and it's a real problem. and i think you can be consistent and say i was for romney care but i was against obama care. >> that's pretty weak. let me tell you why. tell me any state governor who has an income tax and tell me they're against the national income tax but they like the state income tax. if you're for the principle of taxing income. if you're for the principle of people paying their own share of health care costs. they can't freeload at the e.r. if you're for that in principle that's a ...

>> anyone who donates to mitt romney, and i mean the big donors, ought to call mitt romney and say if andrea saul isn't fired and off the campaign tomorrow they are not giving another dime. because it is not worth fighting for this man if this is the kind of spokesman he has. to respond to an ad like this by citing health care in massachusetts? there is no point in us going to massachusetts and pushing for this man if he's employing morons like this. >> morons? isn't the deeper problem they never trusted him in the first place? john, there's an old rule in politics you that know who your enemi...

John, we have tape to prove what you just said, that romney for a long time was fairly happy with what he'd done out there. he completely ran away from his achievements. but before he did, what he did up in massachusetts, before he stopped talking about it, he was actually proud of it. he even said it should be the model for the nation. take a listen. >> right. >> how do you insure the 45 or 50 million americans who are not on the books? >> well, that's what we did in massachusetts. and that is we put together an exchange, and the president's copying that idea. i'm glad to hear that. >> we hav...