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Who otherwise would have dropped out of the workforce to stay a little longer. here we go. ron, this is a basic republican argument. i'm getting back to the politics. why do they say that? why is rand paul -- i know he's an ayn rand conservative. i got to tell you, howard rourke, john gall. they wouldn't collect unemployment i guess. they're dynamos. they're titans of industry. is that where the values are coming from? >> or they're sociopaths. >> that's your reading. you're tough. anyway, what do you think is driving a guy who wants to be president to say something that's obviously going to s...

Ron, this is a basic republican argument. i'm getting back to the politics. why do they say that? why is rand paul -- i know he's an ayn rand conservative. i got to tell you, howard rourke, john gall. they wouldn't collect unemployment i guess. they're dynamos. they're titans of industry. is that where the values are coming from? >> or they're sociopaths. >> that's your reading. you're tough. anyway, what do you think is driving a guy who wants to be president to say something that's obviously going to stagger a lot of people in the middle? >> well, it was said before that he's really running ...

He rat atlas shrug and was inspired by the story of john gall. he believes in thomas more than rand of all people. and that he was inspired by rand because she believed in the free market. and that's where he really identified with her back when he was doesn't mean he belie believbeliev believes fully inch everything she said or wrote. >> i don't think it was only back in college. when he spoke to a group of rand devotees in 2005, he credited the russian american thinker for inspiring him to get 234 to politics. let's listen where. >> the reason i got involved in public service by and large f ...