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Who otherwise would have dropped out of the workforce to stay a little longer. here we go. ron, this is a basic republican argument. i'm getting back to the politics. why do they say that? why is rand paul -- i know he's an ayn rand conservative. i got to tell you, howard rourke, john gall. they wouldn't collect unemployment i guess. they're dynamos. they're titans of industry. is that where the values are coming from? >> or they're sociopaths. >> that's your reading. you're tough. anyway, what do you think is driving a guy who wants to be president to say something that's obviously going to s...

Ron, this is a basic republican argument. i'm getting back to the politics. why do they say that? why is rand paul -- i know he's an ayn rand conservative. i got to tell you, howard rourke, john gall. they wouldn't collect unemployment i guess. they're dynamos. they're titans of industry. is that where the values are coming from? >> or they're sociopaths. >> that's your reading. you're tough. anyway, what do you think is driving a guy who wants to be president to say something that's obviously going to stagger a lot of people in the middle? >> well, it was said before that he's really running ...

0 to trade sequester cuts unless there's a firm guarantee amended mandatory spending cuts. we don't want the extension of unemployment insurance. but these are discussions of actual details of a possible budget plan, not the sort of throwing down the gauntlet kind of, we're going to shut the whole joint down, thing we were hearing. you're not hearing that at all. and i think at least temporarily the biggest names in the tea party -- there's 20 people in the house who signed that letter. frankly, those are the last drags in the bottom of the teacup. they don't mean a whole lot. it's the rand pa...

0 big government being evil, the people do miss it. the government once it ceases to be available it begins to look pretty good. anyway, you won't find much agreement in the republican party these days, but there is at least some consensus by shutting down the government was a dumb idea. while the strategy did whip much of the party into a frenzy, it backfired come october. the damage it caused hasn't been lost on red hots even like rand paul or party leaders like mitch mcconnell, even tea party leaders like jim jordan believe it was misguided. that's an understatement. here's a bit of their p...