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He's in, and was willing to, could he get a deal? >> absolutely, yes. people can cooperate at any time. from a prosecutor's point of view, the earlier the better. i've seen people cooperate not even on the eve of trial, but during trial. >> there was this 24-minute phone call between the former president and the guy who worked at mar-a-lago. >> right. >> in advance of him going down and trying to erase these tapes. >> right. and even if they don't have the content of that phone call -- it doesn't appear it was recorded -- just the fact of a 24-minute phone call really tells you something. >> b...

It shouldn't even be a case. it's not a criminal case. >> so, there's that. and now cnn has learned that very real iran battle plan document was returned to the national archives in january of last year. so, we start tonight off with paula reid and the new information about the latest charges from the special counsel. what have you learned, paula? >> it's really interesting, in our reporting over the past several days, on the extent to which the former president went to to get around his own lawyers, really relying on lower level employees at mar-a-lago. for example, anderson, we've learned th...

Person spent more than two hours with the special counsel's team as well. that's him at the podium. "vanity fair" sums up the mueller investigative method, this way, quote, as he did in the john gotti case, mueller has moved systematically through the lower ranks of trump world up through the president's inner circle in his efforts to shake out the truth. with us, two of the best matts in the business. matt p -- apuzzo, the "new york times" reporter, you first. what does the fact that there is no one in washington walking around tonight say, "yep, i knew this was coming today," no one can make...

And not just him. mark corallo, former trump team legal spokesperson, spent more than two hours with the special counsel's team, as well. that's him at the podium. "vanity fair" sums up the mueller investigative method, this way, quote, as he did in the john gotti case, mueller has moved systematically through the lower ranks of trump world up through the president's inner circle in his efforts to shake out the truth. with us to discuss what is next for mueller, two of the best matts in the business, matt an pugh zero, "new york times" reporter and moouth matthew miller former chief spokesman ...

It's been for the special counsel investigation aside from the 13 indictments that came down today, robert mueller's team met with steve bannon, let's not for geget, for over 2 hours this week. and not just him. mike corallo, spent more than two hours with the special counsel's team as well. that's him at the podium. "vanity fair" sums up the mueller investigative method, this way, quote, as he did in the john gotti case, mueller has moved systematically through the lower ranks of trump world up through the president's inner circle in his efforts to shake out the truth. with us, two of the bes...