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Subpoenaed rudy giuliani. this investigation is moving fast. so many people close to the president have been named or tied to the scandal. you say that we're not just looking at a lawless president but a lawless enterprise? what do you mean? >> look, i think early in the trump presidency he was surrounded by what we used to call the adults in the room. john kellily, mcmaster, and jeff sessions. mike pompeo owe was considered one of them. those people are gone now. and we transition into another phase in which there were acting officials in the positions. it was nebulous. there were people who ...

Security secretary kirstjen nielsen. he claims that she lied in congressional testimony when she said we've never had a policy for family separation. she's made the same denial about in interviews and on twitter. senator merkley says it shows the department of justice and homeland security were considering family separation a year before that testimony and months before it was enacted. months before it was enacted. senator merkley joins me now. so senator, you're accusing secretary nielsen of lying in her sworn testimony. what do the memos show? >> the top level of homeland security and attorn...

Politically calculated survival denial. it's very much like the non-denial denial. >> dana: they complain a little bit about it was out of context. >> yes. >> dana: or misrepresenting their experience is what rob porter said. >> yes. and actually i believe that it does. but these things get washed out as time moves on. the former editor of "the washington post" ben bradley used to always say the truth emerges. often it takes a great deal of time. >> dana: four people are quoted extensively in the book, steve bannon, reince priebus, rob porter and gary cohn, those four are no longer there. ther...

And he engaged in domestic violence. the fbi thought there was a there there. he can say i didn't do that as much as he wants. the chief of staff and previous chief of staff were aware the fbi thought there was enough allegations that we can't go forward with the security clearance. the very least there was very strong tip off that this was a credible issue. >> can i say on a human level, that interview was extraordinarily hard to watch. knowing this person was a high level official in the white house. one of the most powerful people in the country. and the white house created a culture of san...

Politicians on the other. not like this. we have president trump and a sliz of his party throwing their people under the bus. president trump and the fbi director he appointed as a cleansing agent. christopher wray. they are in a show down over the expected release of a republican intelligence memo alleging fbi abuses of surveillance laws against the trump campaign. tonight the fbi is expressing quote grave concern about making the memo publi why? they say it's inaccuratebecause it doesn't ha complete basis. and worried about sources and methods. however, the white house chief of staff john ke...