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Over the weekend, it's really hard not to be embarrassed at our process and how it's being abused by stupidity. it's not being politically abused for special interests or whatever. this is something i can't remember ever seeing anything like this before. >> remember the old line the whole world is watching? >> yeah. >> well, the whole world is watching and raises major questions. first of all, who would want to rely on the united states that goes through this? if you're an ally, it sends real messages that we can't be predictable. >> right. >> if you're a foe, why should you respect us? if you...

But any historical parallels where you actually have a government shutdown, you have the president constantly agreeing on an issue with people on the hill, and then you have an aide, in this case a 32-year-old aide as lindsey graham said who takes a position that is extreme, that's an outlier and the president continues to back down from what he believes and lets his staff lead him around by the nose. any precedent that you can remember? by the way, what's so remarkable about it, john, is this is paralyzed government. the president agrees with the democrats. the president agrees with the major...

Of the president himself and pass something in the senate that then the president is going to attack like he did the health care bill. so, if you're mitch mcconnell, what in the world do you do if you can't get the president to sign on to anything? >> it's really unprecedented, joe. look, historically the white house is the center of gravity, the stable center of gravity in these negotiations. so the white house has their list and knows what they want and the hard part usually is the senate and the house. the herding of the cats. what you have here is different. you have like three houses or t...

Segregated state undoes the dark legacy of reconstruction. richard nixon goes to china. ronald reagan, the great cold warrior ends the cold war. george h.w. bush votes for -- takes a risk on fiscal responsibility. these are people who tell their supporters on this one the right thing to do is not what you thought. and one of the reasons to go into politics is to be able to move the ball in that sense. and what surprises me -- i guess not surprises, but what's noteworthy here is he's the president of the united states. if he can't say no to stephen miller, god help us. >> oh my lord. >> to john...

Building your website with godaddy. get your domain today and get a free trial of gocentral. build a better website in under an hour. i'm really not involved with the justice department. i'd like to let it run itself. but honestly, they should be looking at the democrats. they should be looking at podesta and all of that dishonesty. they should be looking at a lot of things. and a lot of people are disappointed in the justice department, including me. >> the president there, as we've been talking, taking aim at his own administration. joining me now is richard parpt, the chief white house et...