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Ugliness off the hook or to create ambiguity that excuses it. pastor john, from your view, why do you think people are fuzzy about what happened in charlottesville or are kind of soft in terms of talking about racism? >> well, we don't want to see what's in the mirror, i think. racism in this country, whether individual or institutional is nothing new, obviously, but what i think what you have right now is a group of people bent on violence and they're consumed with hatred for people who aren't like them and they're filled with an irrational fear and largely they have been radicalized by the c...

Joining me now pastor john in north carolina. what compelled you to write this? >> well, i've been a local church pastor for the past 20 years, ana, most of that spent in the bible belt here in north carolina, and more times than i can count, i've seen personal prejudices in the church and i've seen systemic injustices and i've seen the way that the church fails to represent and often protect people of color and lgbtq community and muslims and so the response yesterday to charlottesville was just maybe the most recent and the clearest example of what i call the white church's conspiracy of sil...

Somewhere in that crowd of sweaty, dead-eyed, raw-throated white men are our brothers and cousins and husbands and fathers and children, those we go to church with and see in our neighborhoods. they need to be made accountable by those they deem their own kind. they need to know that this is not who we are, that we don't bless, support or respect this. they need white faces speaking directly into their white faces ludly on behalf of love. >> john, based on what we have seen or heard so far, do you think enough white people are speaking out? >> well, i think what you're seeing now is people are...

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