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2,500 people there. the precautions they took are pretty good precautions but i think what jonathan karl's case and there's going to be a lot of others will teach us, is that what you do after the event is also important. so testing before, proof of vaccination before, important. testing after, because now, you know, he has the opportunity to not continue to spread the virus to other people. there's clearly going to be other people who will have tested positive in that room, but in terms of actually looking at the pandemic going forward, testing afterward really important. john, i will just sa...

>> not so much. he didn't reveal too much. he was too proud to say a lot was wrong. it was just, like, i don't like -- ship and basically too proud to say what was really going on there. >> did he tell you at all, john, that other sailors had died by suicide or suspected by suicide? he was the third in a week. >> he did not mention it. i did not know when we went to virginia to -- we found out that he had passed, and they didn't reveal that to me until i got home. and i saw some of the stories on the news. and it kind of made me angry. >> it made you angry. i think that's understandable. did -...

Safety and the many others who attended the dinner not to mention the parties all weekend. joining us now cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. john shook the president's hand, kim kardashian sat next to him. it was a big crowded room. not to mention all the parties. how much risk there? >> there's risk, there is no question, people who are closest to someone like jonathan karl and were there for the longest period of time they would be at increased risk, kim kardashian, people at that table at greatest risk than the president who he shook hands with briefly but there's risk. there...

There is thought there could be even new mutations. >> it looks like that bay. we know of ba.1 and ba.2, there's all these numbers, there's ba.2.12.1, there is two more that are starting to circulate in south africa pretty significantly and they are no doubt going to come here. we have to assume when we see these things happening in other places around the world, viruses don't -- they cross borders, they don't discriminate in this way. take a look at what's happening in south africa, this is what gave us the clue about omicron in the first place, going back to the end of last year. saw that, o...

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