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Down in the near term and unless we follow up our words with action i think there will continue to be cyber attacks. >> it's interesting that that came up with the press conference with president biden that putin is known as a disrupter and biden made clear that he would try to convey to putin it's in your best interest and in your best interest to stop those kinds of attacks. do you think that that was effect sniff. >> well, that remains to be seep. john is more the expert than i am, but we'll just have to see. i don't think basically putin is going to change his stripes just because of this ...

Happens now. if we have another such attack along the lines of the pipeline or meat processing, and then, you know, the u.s. has an issue to deal with. >> and if that happens, which it sounds like, john, you think it very well could. >> well, i don't think those agreements mean much of themselves. we've had tons of agreements with the russians. they are existing szish agreements with the russians and they just flaunt them. it will be a matter of what kind of pushback there will be, so maybe to try to get some other things pushed back on his domestic issues or something pete will be try to ratc...

Cyber. >> how do you see it, john? >> i don't think there's going to be big changes. i do think putin has had a little bit of a weapon he can use here because on cyber attacks he can turn that up and turn that down in a way that the united states can't because he has his intelligence that can do state-sponsored attacks and then he has the private groups that he claims he has no control over. they may not be state-sponsored but certainly they are state-enabled because they are allowed to go after western targets so he can turn that up and down. if he wants to ratchet that down a little bit he c...

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