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Generation, even among younger evangelicals, you see a lot more support and kind of understanding of gay relationships. >> well, let me ask -- go back to our prime guest here, john. you know, just a few years ago, we had an election in 2004, and i don't know if you studied the politics of the gay issues, but my understanding is that ohio went for president bush, w. bush, because there was a whole movement out there to try to fight the issue of same-sex marriage on the ballot. and it was basically skewed with don king and some other people involved in it and karl rove, to use that issue as a we...

Homosexual to heterosexual. will this admission change the course of debate in this country over same-sex marriage and other issues? john smid joins us now along with "daily beast" contributor michelle goldberg. john, thank you for joining us on "hardball." it's always an honor to have somebody come on the show that could go anywhere they wanted to tell their story. and michelle, thank you for joining us and helping us with this story to understand it as a journalist. john, i guess the question that a lot of people want to ask is what caused you to go public with this pretty important observat...

middle class and then down to the poor? can you be serious if you're not running a normal campaign for president? also, here's a story sure to anger some on the religious right. in fact, a lot of them. a leader of the movement to, quote, cure homosexuality admits it doesn't work. the former head of, quote, love and action, the country's largest ex-gay ministry joins us to say, i am what i am. and the occupy wall street demonstrations have energy, momentum and enthusiasm. they could build and play a big role in the presidential election, but what do they want? and what does victory lo...

president? also, here's a story sure to anger some on the religious right. in fact, a lot of them. a leader of the movement to, quote, cure homosexuality admits it doesn't work. the former head of, quote, love and action, the country's largest ex-gay ministry joins us to say, i am what i am. and the occupy wall street demonstrations have energy, momentum and enthusiasm. they could build and play a big role in the presidential election, but what do they want? and what does victory look like to them? we'll talk to a couple of the leading protesters. and why are republicans like john mc...

Great to have you on. thank you so much for coming on this program, sir. and john smid, thank you. thank you, michelle goldberg. up next, need proof that some republicans want to keep you from voting? maybe huckabee was joking. you decide. these guys love to say i was just joking after making their right-wing points. you're watching "hardball" only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.