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Places where islamists are operating. and i think that this is not aimed at the entire muslim world. and with regard to isis, you know, the argument is, isis will use this as propaganda against united states. well, isis is going to be committed all the time to killing americans regardlessl f executive orders.er i think it is only right that the united states is defending itself. >> i have to interject. i have to interject. i think the way that what i am saying is being characterized is just a little bit off. i'm not making the argument that this is a rallying cry for muslims to radicalize and ...

There would be a plan. i agree with you. there's got to be an overall plan. now, how much of it is announced, gillian, that is another story. 'cause you don't want to put tho enemy on notice that you are going to do a to b. but it looks to me that there is a certain logic in the seven nations that have been frozen for 90 days, because those nations don't have any control over who moves in and out of those countries. none. zero. and that is why they were o selected.. so why is that policy bad for america? why? >> i think this policy is bad for america because i think that over the medium to may...

Place in the paris attacks of november 2015 came in under the guise of being migrants. there is no doubt about it. isis is using the refugee flow in order to infiltrate europe. it will attempt to infiltrate the united states as well. so this is a forward-looking policy designed to preempt action by isis in the united states. >> bill: and i understand that theory. but gillian puts forth, and shee is certainly not alone, that by selecting the seven nations, all predominantly muslim, that the other muslims who may not be, you know, militants, but may be in the middle, will hate the united states ...