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And hillary clinton did what was basically a traveling road show all over the country. they made joint appearances where he as secretary of defense and she as secretary of state, they made this joint pitch that we should stop counting on the military for everything. and we should instead build up the state department. more resources. more staff. more prestige. we should recognize as a country that actually it's the state department that needs to do most heavy lifting in terms of america's role in the world, in particular, in managing contradicts with other countries, because not all conflicts ...

Because of what it meant for the politics of the moment. but it also had the effect of making bob gates also kind of a rock star in the obama cabinet. right? and that was a rock star cabinet. it also included hillary clinton. but it was an interesting thing. once they were both sworn in, these two incredibly high profile politically res na-- bos and hillary clinton did what was basically a traveling road show all over the country. they made joint appearances where he as secretary of defense and she as secretary of state, they made this joint pitch that we should stop counting on the military f...