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Passed or things that have been upheld by the supreme court over the course of the past decades and centuries. this will not go away. the american public do not approve of this and despite the pr that chris is giving all the organizations on the right, this was not crafted by them. this was crafted by president obama. >> it was -- >> it was crafted by the heritage foundation. >> no, it -- and mitt romney. >> you know what? you can't say that is a blanket label for everyone on the right, the heritage foundation. no. no -- >> romneycare and omabacare, it's a -- >> jon: it is -- >> i'm going to g...

Republican nominee for president in the fall, how is he going to say he's going to repeal the bill that basically he is responsible for creating? >> no, no, no, no. >> he is the grandfather, the godfather, the author of it, him and the heritage foundation and people like you, gretchen, and republican think tanks, came up with this bill, now all of the sudden it's socialism. by the way this does not turn health care over to the government, it requires the private sector to set a certain standard and requires americans to acknowledge the fact that they are mortal and they will need health care i...

From cradle to grave. that is not the commerce clause. jon: if the individual mandate is struck down by this high court, do you think the entire affordable care act goes away? >> we are hopeful that the entire statute would go down. the individual mandate, as the government itself has acknowledged repeatedly is at the heart of the statute. it is particularly tightly connected with so-called reforms of insurance industry. it's connected very intimately with the restructuring of medicaid. that is another problem we have. we believe it's a st-t out that has to come down if individual mandate come...

Orchestrated it and saw it through from conception to fruition and the startling details of what happened in between and how the people chasing him looked for him for ten years, then ultimately caught him. jon: josh, why is that? why is it that we still don't know why this guy did this? i mean, what's going on? >> you should ask the u.s. government that. that's a very good question. you know, my colleague and i, terry mcdermott, spent about ten years researching this book, and it is amazing how much detail has not come out. a lot of that's because the trial hasn't started yet, a lot of it is b...

Is. jon: gretchen, what about that. if the supreme court were to find this constitutional, does that help president obama? his reelection efforts? >> no. let's back up. it does not help president obama at all, but the fact that the supreme court is even talking about this today. that is why president obama has been silent on this. that's why in his 17 minute documentary t. was barely even mentioned. this is a counter piece of whole time in office, and he doesn't even talk about it. that shows that it is a political loser for him, and not something that he wants to talk about going into his ree...