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Possible. her strong preference continues to be for the senate judiciary committee to allow for a full investigation prior to her testimony. so should grassly respect her wishes? he doesn't seem to want to do that, although it's not his call on the investigation front if it involves the fbi. that would be the president. laura coates and ken cuccinelli. laura, the idea of these conditions from ford, if they are seen as a backing off an original intent to testify no matter what, is this a show of weakness, of less credibility, how do you see it? >> i don't see it as a show of weakness to say you...

As frustrating as all of that can be. if she gets up there, and she's credible and she can corroborate a little bit, but not everything, and there are holes, he gets up there, and he is credible. and he says, i want there and i didn't do it. what is the standard of judgmentment. how do you decide whether or not you vote up or down on this. what do you think the standard is? >> this is why it's painfully obvious. former lawyers sit on the judiciary committee, this is not a court of law. i'm glad that ken mentioned the notion of the senate judicial rules and process of at least a week as opposed...

Than 40 years and you put up with him the way that you do. if people only knew. >> it's true. >> if people only knew. we'll do that story next time. thank you both. thank you. >> for the record, dr. jill biden is my favorite biden. kristen, one thing becomes apparent whether the bidens talk about cancer research, funding, a cure. they are all in on this. that's why me and my wife down here today for the biden cancer summit. they're spending the day convening thought leaders, researchers, doctors, health care providers and they're coming up and talking about best practices. they firmly believe ...

Judgment on whether or not you decide this person should be elevated to the highest purpose of integrity in our democracy? >> yeah, i would take a little bit of issue with laura's exposition there. i think in a situation like this, the senate is a bit of a fact finder, and as i've said before each senator gets to set their own standard, i mean, that's the way this process is, and there's no one else to do this, i do not think -- >> you're not digging into the facts here -- >> they're not digging into the facts. they're interviewing two people, they could interview more. they could have the fbi...

Details. as you mentioned earlier she went to democrats saying i really don't want to do this, i'm anonymous, use it for what it's worth. she wasn't looking to grandstand. >> and her friend posted on facebook and had to retract it because oh, no now people want me to go on tv and i have to back it up. >> here's my concern, this is struggle. this is hard. we don't have standards, we don't have rules. we don't know how to judge these situations. >> there is a process in the senate judiciary committee. there is. >> but not to deal with this type of allegation. it's just political. >> excuse me. t...