>> thank you, really appreciate it. joining our discussion, now alex, wagner cohosted executive producer of sort times a circus, she's writer at the atlantic, always with us julia maxwell, host of the program zerlina, that airs on peacock. and i just want to hand this over to both of, you i'm kind of speechless at the moment. zerlina go ahead. >> that was really hard to listen to lawrence, because i feel in my heart, we are all living through a pandemic, and nobody is really done this before, and so we are all sort of flailing about, in can we just be a little bit nicer in kinder to each other...