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various jurisdictionser report on themselves. we know the crisis of lack of accountability is the big picture problem here. it's in the only the killings. killings are the tip of the iceberg. it's daily interactions police officers haver that are abusive, disrespectful and violent against people in cities and towns across the country that go without any kind of oh accountability whether it's the local police department or the criminal justice system. that's what we need to if i can. the bigger system. >> i want to come to you on the legal question here in part. there is a question of what can justice look like on the back end of this? part of what i eep struggling to understand is what is firefighter, allowable in the context of police behavior. so part of what we have seen for example, in the context of the boyd dismissal is the law pay be different from what we think of as reasonable or ethical or moral decision-making. is it legal to simply pursue someone -- i'm trying to