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President is going to jail, because what he does may hold a minority of republicans together, supporting him, but he is not only proving as again, eric erickson, add more c, and in mccarthy, bill barr, you name, it chris christie, you go down the list, he is not only proving that he committed the actions, he is on tape proving the intent of lie he is doing this. this case, it is open and shut. the only thing trump can hope for is jury nullification. this case, if you look at trump's own words, as all these other conservatives have said, open and shut case against him. >> well, no, you're wrong...

Meaningful or not. tell us what's at stake in where, which courthouse this trial ends up in. and what does it mean in terms of the jury pool selected. >> lawrence, i'm with you. i don't think it's set yet whether the trial is going to be in fort pierce or west palm. or could be elsewhere. but i think it's gotta be in the southern district of florida. i think it helps trump to have it in fort pierce. the fort pierce jury pool consists of five surrounding counties, and it doesn't include blue, palm beach county where i am. and up to five counties, four of them are red. they went for trump. the 5...

On tape proving the intent of why he's doing this. this is this case, it's open and shut. the only thing trump can home for is jury nullification. this case, if you just look at trump's own words, as barr said, as all of these other conservatives said, open and shut case against him. >> no, you're wrong. there's a statute that says you don't have to comply with the subpoena if your documents are intermingled with golf shoes, and trump knew that. and so all of these legal commentators need to go back to school and study the law. >> of course, i'm embarrassed. >> i thought you were a lawyer, joe...

Type of attitude about the law. eventually it will catch up to you. i don't think the only end game is jury nullification, draw it out until you are elected. we're talking about as it's a form of political strategy, which underscores the craziness and seriousness of the times we're in, which we could very well, in fact, we'll likely have a leading presidential candidate, one of two people in line for the presidency who could go to jail and it's really sort of a race between the justice system and our politics to see which one comes first. that's nuts. >> and jonathan lemire, there's the politi...

By the attorney. it's almost all done by the judges almos, the federal federt judicial system. >> my guesion is thas is that t will be loosened up a bit in this particular case . k it's but also, i would like to say that i think it's a little pessimist to have to say we're going to rely on one juror t to in jury nullification, because i think the president has some reae prel defensible issues here. this is a winnable case. i'm not saying he would definitely win it or it's a slam duns butk him. but there are some real issues here and i don't think he's going to have to relyo hav' on jury nullif...