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Roberts who will oversee the trial. mitch mcconnell is partisan republican. no one is expecting him to be partial. problem as ben said, nancy pelosi initiated this process. to please her progress i was and she rushed it through to please those adam housley members want to talk about something else. now she is in a bind here. chris: is she in a bind? >> not at all. i was shocked to say nancy pelosi is not in charge of democrats. she had quite a streak here. she held her caucus together. oh, of these 31 who have, who come from districts where president trump won the election, she is going to see...

Seeing? >> the judge needs to make sure it's not based on passion and bias but evidence. they want to try to get roifd the evidence. they don't want to hear witnesses or see documents. they want to argue passion. really this is what we call in the trial business a jury nullification process. in jury nullification, you say, don't listen to testified. we don't care what evidence is out there. this is just wrong. send the message. don't do this. and that's really what the republicans are saying. they're saying to their base, we're going to send a message, we're not participating. it doesn't matte...

Simple. it doesn't really matter, it would appear, how many articles there are. the chance of a jury nullification by senate republicans is the conventional wisdom about how this is going to turn out. i'm a believer in the idea that smart -- even smart politicians if confronted with overwhelming evidence and a sense of duty, are capable of listening to the evidence and changing their minds if, in fact, the evidence is sufficient. >> i want to listen in to house speaker nancy pelosi who is talking about the usmca, the trade deal, and democratic unity. let's listen for a minute. >> which explain...

And you know, it's an irony, and perhaps to get people to participate in the articles of impeachment or obstruction of just. to the extent it's been imperfect it because as the president keeps witnesses from coming forward, won't turn over documents. the process the democrats are using is the same republicans were using. >> they want jury nullification. before we go, would it surprise you if mitch mcconnell does a motion to dismiss and just tries to clean it off so his members don't have to vote? >> it would surprise me. >> it would? >> yes, i think it would. i think they, at least from my per...

Breathe. make it feel like they're not rushing through things as much. >> they're arguing that do nothing democrats cannot get anything done because they're obsessed with impeachment. >> it is sort of the political analog to jury nullification. you throw ut the process is rigged, i will never be treated fairly, but i think the american public knows. i don't know that the voters are that familiar with any of the policy that the democrats have been putting forward, but they have been doing the work, i don't know if any of them are going to break ranks and come on board. but the trooutt is that t...