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Manufacturing plants in youngstown, ohio, and the like. i think what you're seeing is something we'll see a lot of this fall, biden playing the regular guy card. >> what's your feel on bain as think issue? will that be effective for the president to use, saying that guy stepped on the little guy to make profits for himself? >> i don't. and i think they had a rough time with the attack yesterday. they were all over the place on it. they are backtracking from it. the president is doing the fundraiser at black stone. you know, he's trying to say that -- >> now, why are you saying they are backtra...