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Discussing or even acknowledging the case. he couldn't even speak with barbara starr. they went nowhere. the case didn't reach resolution until biden administration came in. joining me now, he wrote about this on cnn.com. david, hello to you. it is fascinating. i was reading it and my jaw was dropping. you did not know what the government wanted, when the doj first came forward with this gag order. you were blocked at every opportunity, trying to understand what was going on. so you still have no idea what this was all about? >> i really don't. we can guess. you can try to work your way backwa...

Administration where they had to be more cooperative with us if they wanted to proceed any further. and they agreed that they could no longer use that order to seek information from cnn or from barbara. >> what is the danger here, david? >> the danger is, you don't know what else is out there. it is possible, i suppose, that they have other orders that are issued against journalists right now to their phone carriers or email carriers where we're not involved. for example, i didn't know until the day we got barbara's notice letter that they had been looking at herr of her accounts. and i felt b...

How did it come to this point at least? >> we got a good ruling from the judge that we appealed to in the district court. they took one last shot by filing a notice of appeal on the last day they could. january 15th. we were able to negotiate something with the coming, oncoming administration where they had to be more cooperative with us if they wanted to proceed any further. and they agreed that they could no longer use that order to seek information from cnn or from barbara. >> what is the danger here? >> the danger is, you don't know what else is out there. it is possible, i suppose, that t...

Trump came along and tore it up. what's to prevent that from happening again in three and a half years in the reality is joe biden can do a lot on this trim and a lot as president. this won't be settled in one trim or even one term. we have to build back the credibility that was sent down so significantly under trump. this was the beginning of it but it is on all of us and we have to stick with it. >> it's a pleasure. thank you. book again is after the fall. being american in the world we made. while president biden is overseas promoting american values and freedom, shocking details about ...

Where barbara was clearly doing work for cnn and communicating on behalf of her job. >> you said there are others out there who didn't happen to just cnn. it has affected the "washington post." "the new york times." it's a scary thing to see given the first amendment. our jobs are protected under the first amendment. it's one of the things america stands for, freedom of press. where do we go from here? >> well, you know, home any we'll get together. we're going to get together with the attorney general and staff on monday in washington. it will be myself. our bureau chief along with my counter...