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Service. >> i had that by somebody and it totally threw me off. whoa, whoa, whoa, you put yourself in harm's way. no, you are too. i hope not, frankly. >> that is striking to me that there are americans who see this as -- americans who are not journalists who see this as threatening. >> he's effectively declared war on journalists in this country. he's made them the scapegoat for all of his shortcomings and failings and it's an easy target to go after because, again, you represent a broader piece of a narrative that he can go after. >> the fact that you think, and i think there's a lot to what...

You know, going back months seem to be trying to almost pressure certain witnesses. you know, there were tweets that he didn't want people to sort of -- it seemed like he was trying to get people to not be cooperative with the special counsel. now this seems more about trying to get it to end. and, you know, the idea that he can just end it any time, yes, i guess that's true. but even trump knows that that would cause quite a political storm and he's trying to get somebody else to do is dirty work for him. that's the way i look at it. >> i was just going to say, mimi, could you actually say th...

So then delineate between the point of cnn sucks and talking to an independent reporter who's just standing in front of them asking them questions at a rally. >> i was wondering because the other experience i know you've had and i hope you share with viewers, the president will do this rally and beat the living day lights of the press and see the jeers come in. and then there's the whispers, hey, by the way, i respect what you do. did you get some of that last night? >> actually, no. >> welcome to tampa, i guess. >> they were not willing to say good job, by the way, so no. >> and by the way, t...

Manafort, at this age and station, if he's facing a long jail sentence, and they threw the book at him just in this tax and fraud case, is going to want to -- is going to want to flip. and i think the president is calculating now, number one, whether -- when he can pardon manafort. if. if and. when and if and when he can fire or somehow get mueller off the case. and i think he's looking to see after the rally last night, after the rally last night where he was absorbing all the fan love, whether he's got the power and the timing to do it. >> you're right, i can just picture a guilty plea on mo...

Incriminating? you have said you thought this was obstruction in plain sight? >> i would say it's a good piece of evidence of obstruction in plain sight. and here's why the plain sight part doesn't matter. take what he wrote in the tweet, put it in a text to a close confidant and assume -- let's pretend the government found that text and read it. would it look like evidence of obstruction? i think here what we're saying, as you said, i mean you said it perfectly. if he called sessions into his office and told him to fire him or if he wrote what he thought was a secret e-mail to sessions saying...