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Northeast. i can't see pennsylvania, new jersey and new england states going for either of these guys? they are not moderate enough. >> rubio gives the impression he could quote/unquote evolve. >> will he come back? >> i think he will continue to swing center. he's a dark horse general election candidate. the obama problem is not a problem in the sense he's got a great story to tell. >> i like the fact he talks about immigration. not because he is cuban american. he talks about e-verify, the need to enforce immigration rules. he doesn't just b.s. it. let people come in and become citizens. and...

They are not moderate enough. >> rubio gives the impression he could quote/unquote evolve. >> will he come back? >> i think he will continue to swing center. he's a dark horse general election candidate. the obama problem is not a problem in the sense he's got a great story to tell. >> i like the fact he talks about immigration. not because he is cuban american. he talks about e-verify, the need to enforce immigration rules. he doesn't just b.s. it. let people come in and become citizens. and regulate immigration like every other country. he talks about it like he knows what he is talking abou...

>> it's hard to come up with exact metrics. i knew you were going to have some about how do you deal with a general theory t things were just better back then? >> i didn't say they werett better did.did i say anywhere in my talking points memo they were better? >> are you notre suggesting things are better? >> i don't suggest, i say, let's take it one by one. a% out-of-wet lock birthrt compared to 41. >> i don't know that a% was an accurate number because i don't think people told the truth back then about that stuff. people were not upfront. >> we are going by the u.s. government. >> let's as...

And alan colmes who was himself a mouseketeer. >> i didn't wear my hat today i'm sorry about that. >> bill: it doesn't matter. you say? >> it's hard to come up with exact metrics i know you are going to have some about how do you deal with a general theory you have that things were just better back then. >> bill: i didn't say they were better. did i say anywhere in my talking points memo they were better? >> you are you not suggesting things are better back then. >> bill: i don't suggest. say. one by one. 5% out-of-wedlock birth compared to 41%. >> i don't know that 5% was an accurate number b...

>> i don't know that 5% was an accurate number because i don't think people told the truth back then about that stuff. >> bill: we're going by the u.s. government. >> people were not. >> bill: let's assume it was legitimate. >> people were not talking about that kind of stuff. people would not say. >> bill: colmes, just b.s. it's just b.s. let's stop the b.s. right now. that's the government number. let's deal with it 5%, 41%. what's the better thing? >> well, obviously 5% is better but you are not listening to my point that people did it and they swept fund the rug back then. >> bill: i don't...