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Term radical mentioned in relation to this plan today. so how controversial is this all going to get on the hill? >> for democrats it's going to be quite controversial, but you have heard a lot of criticism of republicans over the last few months, they don't stand for anything, they're the party of no, they have no solutions. despite what you may think of this doum and dcument and despi fact it radically alters medicare and medicaid, this does have a pathway forward in terms of significant debt reduction just from looking at the numbers of what they've put into it. that is why it's elicited th...

In cuts over a ten-year period, also major reforms. do you feel that that is a really legitimate and also an achievable goal? >> absolutely. we have scoring from the cbo. we have input from think tanks like the heritage foundation. this is a combination of adding revenue by increasing jobs, lowering the tax rates, but broadening the tax base. taking out loopholes in the tax system, and at the same time creating a more competitive system when it comes to medicare and also block granting medicaid so governors and legislators will be in much better positions to do what's best for their state and ...

And in addition, a government shutdown would produce tremendous harm to those individuals who most need our help, including military families. so i think the fact that the republicans are out there just repeating their talking points, the democrats want a shutdown, is ludicrous and i'm hopeful we'll be able to avoid it. if not i think the gop will suffer disproportionately. >> i think a lot of people would agree with you on all fronts it wreaks with inefficiency. in speaking with luke russert about this major proposal paul ryan is putting on the table, including over 6 trltz $6 trill cuts, maj...