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Think about as they're preparing how much of their time, particularly for those who know they're going to get less time, how much time are you going to spend attacking a front-runner or trying to say something positive about yourself and break through in a positive way not just because you were able to take somebody down in the way that we saw kamala go after joe biden last time. she got a lot of credit for style in that she showed she could throw a punch. some people had some different feelings about the substance of it, as to whether or not that was fair. i think there's an element of this t...

Points over the last, you know, month or. so and there is going to be a lot of pressure on him to see whether or not he can turn around his performance or if he is going to be sleepy joe in the next round and what's -- is kamala go still going to be strong mayor pete makes a good showing? i think there is a lot resting on this next round. >> melissa: when you look at the fallout, since the debate, the one that has gone up the most, jesse, is kamala harris. i mean, she has seen her -- if you look there the difference between, you know, there on june 11th vs. july 2nd, she has seen uptick of 13 ...