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Congresswoman, dr. anna eshoo, but she didn't want her name in the press, that's a key fact. later that month, after president trump nominated kavanaugh, ford contacted the ranking democrat on the senate judiciary committee, dianne feinstein, but still insisted she wanted to remain anonymous. that created a twist here, a tension. early august, she took a lie detector test at the suggestion of her lawyer, not the lawmakers, and "the washington post" says she passed. not admissible in court, but it is some reliability to her testimony for the court of public opinion, with alalso kno you. so why ...

The 90s, there was this raging debate for that full decade in the law enforcement community about the wall between counter intelligence and criminal investigation. and how high it should be and whether it should come down and so forth. and then 9/11 happened. and we were supposed to trust that the elements put in place and the review by the higher ups and the fbi and doj would filter out these political potential uses of counterintelligence authority, which is very easy to get these warrants. very easy. and that didn't happen here. and if this is a habit of the doj and fbi, on any sort of basi...

Public interest. and again, for national security reasons i just mentioned, i don't think it is, not only do i think it's not a good idea, i think that it can also add to this pattern of potential obstruction by the president. >> well, look, you've got to believe that the president hasn't taken the time to do what what he could, right, which is get the actual details of what's in the fisa application. i never cease to be amazed, ken, that he would rather listen to fox that be pick up the phone and talk to people who have the actual answers within his intelligence community. but if that's why h...

It is one thing to -- >> right. >> -- to keep our identity private and not go public with it. but there's no reason it should not have been divulged to that committee. no reason. >> a couple follow-ups. one, why doesn't the president open it up to the fbi? you'll get your wish if it's behind closed doors, and you get somebody to vet the information. >> well, i don't think that you can say that he hasn't asked the fbi. we don't know that. he hasn't mentioned the fbi. and why can't the committee ask for the fbi? i mean -- >> well, why haven't they? >> i don't know. >> somebody should ask for the...

It is big and it is breaking. as we speak, the justice department and the fbi are working with the u.s. intelligence community to declassify information related to the russia probe. that's done on the president's orders. that's why i'm keeping cuomo's court in session. we have two great minds here. this story is not getting a lot of attention today because of kavanaugh, but it matters. is this why a president should declassify information out of his own personal convenience? next.