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This could end up before the supreme court? >> right, it could because keep in mind the trump administration declined to defend the law, so california and other states stepped in. and last night they said we're going to take this to a federal appeals court in texas. now, depending on what that court does, if it upholds the bre breadth of this lower court opinion it will go right to the supreme court because it's so broad. they could trim it back a little bit and rule on standing and say look, the individual mandate goes but other provisions can remain, pre-existing conditions, et cetera. in th...

People bring ideology or hopes to how they view these conflicts. you are a judge so if you were any good, your job -- >> not anymore. >> you're a retired job. job was to look at evidence. not preconceived notions and up until recently were a kavanaugh supporters. what evidence changed your mind for me it's entirely about doctor ford. not the ramirez allegation. with doctor ford, i found it excelling. i find it impossible to believe that nothing happened. i was very disappoint instead his testimony. i understand that he's been through a horrible experience. and i want to say someone i had admir...

That was true in the first hearing that he did about issues like he lied, it seems, about whether he was involved in the certain judicial selections during the bush administration. it seems like he lied about getting stolen materials in 2006. but then last week at that hearing -- >> kavanaugh supporters will say, well, he didn't not tell the truth. i think you are referring to things that came up in the recent hearing -- >> exactly. >> the yearbook? republicans say, gosh, that's petty small stuff. >> you know what? jim comey, of all people, i had an op-ed in "the new york times" this past week...

Georgetown law professor paul butler. and joining us on set, charlie sikes, contributing editor for the weekly standard and host of the daily standard podcast. i love when we have a "washington post" staff meeting here at 4:00. and i know all three of you will jump up at once if something breaks. ashley, take us inside what was, for this president, that counts as message discipline. but he did seem to get out a little bit ahead of where mitch mcconnell and chuck grassley are in terms of saying everyone will be seen and heard. i understand some of the nuance on the hill is that they don't neces...