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Right. the two most reliable constituencies when it comes to voters turning out are older americans over the age of 50 and african-american voters. so the fact that joe biden is polling very well among those two groups is a very good news for him. and to the point that you just mentioned, i mean his debate performance was not fantastic a couple weeks ago. he's got a debate coming up but he didn't really lose a lot of support among his key core constituency as a result of that debate. so that's good news. also like you said, joe, when it comes to the younger voters every election cycle lots of ...

No, i'm joking. first of all, she's right. first of all, she's speaking to her core constituency. essence fest is the world's preeminent gathering of black women. it happens on the first weekend after the fourth of july every year. first of all, she's right to not endorse. the obamas are not getting in that mess. i'm sure they'll support the democratic nominee at the proper time. secondly, it was a very candid audience where she can slip into the vernacular of her crowd. as the kids say on the internet, find the lie. she didn't say anything wrong. barack obama made it look easy, but that's als...

A respect for states rights in the 1970s, not a position that many democrats are comfortable with. a lot of democrats weren't comfortable with it them. they're certainly not comfortable with it now. joe biden on the judiciary committee over many years was the prime author of the crime bill in 1994 that everybody now recognizes having contributed to the incarceration in states. we're going to have a conversation about a variety of policy decisions joe biden held for decades that very few african-americans now, the core constituency and many people have pointed to being the central piece of supp...

Ever stepping in something like this. >> right. joe biden always steps in it, though. this is like -- it is like when he called barack obama clean and articulate. the challenges he feels entitled and dismissive. he's not on pitch and on tone for this moment. people feel very on edge about the political atmosphere that donald trump has ushered in where we're seeing levels of racism we haven't seen in our lifetime and in 40 years of democratic politics. and, so, biden really has to be very clear about what side he stands on and right now with him being dismissive, that makes people of color, who...

We're going to face donald trump? >> two things go togetherme. we did not have a clear identity in 2016, and a lot of people all over this country, people of color, working people of all different backgrounds, young people, did not feel the democratic party was going to stand up for them and fight for them. and too often they thought the democratic party was too cozy with the elites. that did not conform with our history of democrats but that's what started to happen over the years, and because that was so murky, people started to stay home. we cannot let that happen in 2020. the alarm i'm sou...