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Let's say it's $12 billion. the numbers have been kicked from one three, to one six, to seven to $12 billion. he's saying it's $12 billion and he broke it down. $7 billion would be used for non-secured fencing. i think $5 billion is the secured fencing. asyl asylum. keeping daca and dreamers here. go back to the appropriation and consider. >> let me ask you this, the way we framed it and over the last 24 hours it seems the capitol and the white house are on two different planets. they're operating in what seems to be two different universes. what you're talking about, the white house doesn't w...

Too is that congress is going to finally act and enact comprehensive immigration reform that would include protections for individuals who came here at such a young age. >> all right. we'll get to the issue of congress in a second. i want to ask about if this is indeed the way it plays out, the president makes an announcement tuesday, says it will end after six months, giving congress a chance to act, what happens in those six months? where does that leave those young people whose two-year visa, because that's what the dreamers get, what happens if their visa expires during that time, or to th...

Unconstitutional. it's the president's prerogative to inject in this. here is my concern. all of the sudden we're hearing from leaders in congress who say oh, mr. president, give us the opportunity to act. they've had years to act. this is what congress always does. when a crisis comes before them that they have punt down the road for five years now, they decide that they're not going to like what the president is going to do, which is to fulfill his campaign promises. so they're asking for more time. we have no more time. >> john, he is right about the fact that congress has punted on this ti...

The can? or they get it -- they pass something that allows these 800,000 young people to stay, but he doesn't get the scorn from his base? what is the calculation? >> i think the initial move was to throw red meat at the base, right? the 34%, according to gallup that is still supporting him. but at the end of the day, kick the can down the road and not ultimately be responsible for it. i think the challenge for the president is when you're hovering around a sag 34% approval rating, you ought to be thinking how i can appeal to a broader slice of the people across this country. according to nbc,...

Dreamers for other people. i want the people that are growing up in the united states to be dreamers also. they're not dreaming right now. daca is a very, very difficult subject for me. i will tell you. to me it's one of the difficult suggests i have. it's a very, very tough suggest. we're going to deal with daca with heart. shows. >> dreamers be worried? >> we love the dreamers. we love everybody. >> joining us to talk more about this, immigration attorney nelson castillo. nelson, good to have you with us once again. listen, the bedrock of the president and his supporters' argument for scrapp...