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Yes, i believe so. Okay. And this is just investigation, generally making a public to of openness generally. Right . I think by august 11th, mr. Castor, i think we were talking about 2016 and burisma. The investigation generally was really early in the but do we know that Secretary Pompeo knows that . I think so. Why . Only because i think councilor breakable was briefed on all of these things. By who, by you . I think ambassador volker, by myself. Does not he testified to. I didnt know he testified. Ambassador volker. Oh, okay. He didnt testified that he briefed mr. Brechbuhl. This email to t...

Worked out on executive privilege, but he needed this. he needed to add someone, it's just late in the game. >> can we also talk about rudy giuliani, and what his interactions with the special counsel has been. >> i think there's some question about what exactly was going on there. we knew that we had had previous reporting that he had gone in to do a proper session where essentially you tell all and all you have to do is make sure you don't lie and the government can't prosecute you for what you say. there were questions about whether he was cooperating, we knew he hadn't received a target le...

Public?" >> that part i can agree to, yes. >> there's an awful lot of ambiguity as to what the president was asking for. what is "the right thing?" or to tell them to clear things up? was that i do aid to ukraine? the president insists no. i think what ambassador sondland -- you see someone engaged in self protection but leaving ambiguity there, so maybe someone like jim jordan can drive a truck through it. >> that's an interesting point you make. "what do you know about what ukraine knew about the old?" he said, "very vague, could have been politico, could have been rudy giuliani. it would be...

Are a trump detractor, you want robert mueller to catch him in this sort of scenario or lie, if you will, and him to be driven out of the white house in handcuffs or what have you, how possible is it -- is it possible to arrest or prosecute a sitting president of the united states? or if so, how tough is it to do that? ken first. >> well, it is theoretically possible, but it is very, very difficult. i mean everyone in the executive branch stands in the person of the president. there is no attorney general or secretary of defense and in the constitution, there's article ii. and the inherent pow...

And frankly, i don't think it's all that unreasonable. i don't think it would be very unreasonable on trump's part. >> the conversation i've been having with people, and if you are a trump detractor, you want robert mueller to catch him in this sort of scenario or lie, if you will, and him to be driven out of the white house in handcuffs or what have you, how possible is it -- is it possible to arrest or prosecute a sitting president of the united states? or if so how tough is it to do that? ken first. >> well, it is theoretically possible, but it is very, very difficult. i mean everyone in th...