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Declared him one of the obvious losers in the presidential primary by not inviting him to their republican candidate roundup this weekend. they will be in effect auditioning for the massive campaigns that the koch brothers and their other rich invited guests can provide to the campaigns. joining me jeremy peters political reporter for the "new york times," msnbc analyst and ken vogl chief investigator reporter for "politico." ken, it's an interesting list of who's this an out at the koch brother's big show. donald trump is definitely out. it seems like the kobe brothers would like to get past ...

Early primary states, a lot of swing states like florida, and that's something that i think we are going to be talking about long after we finish talking about donald trump. >> ken, it looks like the koch brothers favorite is scott walk wither. how does that affect the others when they go out there knowing the koch brothers already have a favorite? >> it certainly does seem that way. i think marco rubio in particular has found himself gaining some traction in that network. frankly, among large donors across the conservative political landscape. he's been so acidous in his shortship of big dono...

His, almost $3 million ad buy in that state. he's playing a campaign for new hampshire. he's not running a national campaign. that's why you are not really seeing his popularity reflected in national polls, but you are seeing it in new hampshire poll s. he's polling up there, whether that's lasting i don't know. he's definitely one to keep your eye on. >> ken, in the latest poll in new hampshire, kasich is now running third. he's gotten up to 7%, behind jeb bush at 12. in the latest poll there. he is doing a pretty heavy tv campaign advertising effort up there. i see it on boston television, s...

Ken vogel. ken, interesting that john kasich is also banned from the koch brothers candidate show. what did he do to the koch brothers? >> well, his great problem from their perspective is his support for the expansion of medicaid under obamacare in his state. he stood firm and said this was a decision he made in good faith. he invoked his faith in explaining why he did it. expanded health care access for thousands and thousands of low-income ohioans and that, nonetheless, was a problem for the koch brothers and the koch brothers groups active in ohio. they vig roulsly opposed that. john kasic...

This story came from. in our original "politico" story. i will say what came to us was a tip. it is not what i would call concrete evidence. the concrete evidence was amassed through reporting a lot of hard reporting by the key people on our team, johnathon martin t ken vogl, anna palmer worked hard to take this tip and see if we could turn it in to something more concrete. >> has anyone at politico heard anything from the cain campaign or from mr. cain himself today that makes you want to amend anything in your original story? >> no, sir, lawrence. not to my knowledge. >> and where does the s...