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The emergency declaration, which would be enough to overturn it along with democratic votes, though not yet enough for a vetoproof majority. it is widely expected that the president will veto that resolution. let's bring in my panel, kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for npr and an msnbc contributor. kevin serilli, bloomberg news chief washington correspondent. and nick achorman here in studio, former assistant special watergate prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. kimberly, let me begin with you. let's talk about this setback. how big of, how significant of a setback is this for...

Media indictment where the russians used social media to suppress -- microtarget voters and suppress the hillary clinton vote and the break-in to the democratic national committee. i think there's not going to be a major mueller report as such. it's really going to be one indictment at a time. and this is exactly what happened during the watergate era. everybody was divided. public opinion was divided. but once major indictments came down indicting the president's attorney general, his two top aides, and a whole series of other top aides in the administration, the whole atmosphere changed. and...

The lawsuits, led of course by california, i think that might pose more of a risk to the president right now than republicans having enough votes to override his veedo. >> thank you, kevin, for teeing up the question about the courts. do you think, nick, that the only way to challenge this in a meaningful way and not just symbolically, will it be the courts who make the definitive definition? >> it very well may be that the courts make the definitive decision here. you've got that case with harry truman during the korean war trying to take over the steel plants. i think there's good precedent ...

Does next. >> kevin, that brings up an interesting point, which is what is congress doing to try to ensure this report gets made. you public? the nbc/"wall street journal" poll finds that 2/3 of americans actually want mueller's findings to be released to the public. are you seeing any kind of movement on the hill to try to ensure that when this report gets to the attorney general's office, william barr, that he in some capacity releases it to the public? >> you're hearing that from democrats, and virtually every democrat i've spoken with regarding this particular issue for the past several we...

The affects -- the president himself are not interested in those carve outs. gary cohn working overtime to find some sort of way to soften the blow. the big question for next week, does the blow get softened? >> quickly to you, kevin, you laughed there. >> i totally agree with the sense in curtis that this helps him in the certain factions of his base. he is heading to pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, this helps him. i think this is just somewhat we saw on the trail. the pro-business community versus the grassroots populism is really at a head now with this policy proposal. >> curtis, you lo...