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You prevent getting sucked into this thing -- and bleeding america -- is to say there's two principles we stand for. number one, no weapons of mass destruction. if you do, we'll hit you hard, and maybe assassinate you. there's a red line and we enforce it. the other one is, isis our enemy. kill isis. if you have just those two points, it's not tillerson's job to create a syria for the future, to nation build for the united states. trump doesn't want to do that. the american people don't want to do it either. you just cited a survey. >> meghan: you're saying we should team up with vladimir puti...

I think we have a role as the greatest country in the world to help out these people. i do in the simplest way possible. geraldo thinks that's not the best idea. >> harris: ho you wehow would yh ground troops to help these people? that's scary. >> meghan: of course it's scary. this country is incredibly war weary. but i would debate president obama wouldn't let us win. when he pulled us out of iraq, we know now isis metastasized out of it. if we had led the generals and leaders do their job -- i don't understand exactly where president trump is on syria. >> eboni: quick point on this. here's t...

President that we will not tolerate weapons of mass destruction. no matter what happens in syria, you use gas, that's our red line, we've now established that very firmly. president obama did not. president trump has very clearly. no gas. assad, forget about it. now president putin says to secretary tillerson, let's finish the prime goal, wipe out isis, kill isis together. let this be our mini summit conclusion. no gas and kill isis. >> harris: not many, but many. i get you. >> meghan: i say it with respect, but that's terribly naive, to trust putin, giving money, resources, bombing hospitals ...

Would have had a different opinion. >> meghan: no. i'm ideologically consistent on this. >> geraldo: you can't uproot the shiite government of syria and replace it with a sunni government. that's what he did in iraq. it spelled disaster. thousands americans dead and -- >> meghan: we're talking about a no-fly zone possibly, sending in aid. what you just said right now is that the american public should be convinced that we can consider russia and vladimir putin, who is bombing hospitals in aleppo, an ally of the united states of america. i think that's painly naive. >> geraldo: i see isis bombi...

It does is it says -- and this is not only president obama but you've seen republicans say this as well, it would in fact then say to people in the larger muslim world, this is a western -- >> i don't care how people take our argument because the fact is they shouldn't be dictating how we think. so what if it helps kill isis. >> we're talking about who are we fighting. >> don't upset them. >> that's not my point. in fact, if we could aggravate, irritate, elevate, get them out of here, i'm all for it. the question is about the larger muslim world, which is a huge world and actually we want thei...