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Going to lose more and more elections. >> i'm four square behind you, time somebody at least tried to take on the nra and their strangle hold over american politicians. >> me and meryl? got a certain ring to it. >> don't ask me for first billing. i know you're capable of asking me for that, but please don't. >> i'm capable of doing it, never mind asking you for it. let's take a short break. also michelle obama turns 50 today, and at the same time, we see four of the five best actors over 50. is this a renaissance? is the older woman cool now in hollywood and politics? you're the man to ask, ha...

"lone survivor," it's sensational, a tribute to the united states special forces. i would make that movie in a second. there's action scenes all over the place. people get killed in the movie. that's one thing. >> but not a movie that could be accused of glamorizing the use of guns for no sake? >> i'm not going to make a crazy action movie to blow up people just for the sake of making it. but i understand the criticism and i'm not playing any more ted nugent music. i'm not kidding. first of all, i've always liked ted nugent and i'll end up having a beer with him and go to the washington times ...

I've been beseeching people to do this. i'm delighted you're going to publicly take them on, the leadership, not the membership. why do you do this? why do you care so passionately? >> it's funny. all the past school massacres that i read about in the newspaper, columbine, aurora, we feel deeply for four or five days, and then we get on with our lives. we say let's fight for gun control, let's do something about it. you know, when sandy hook and newtown happened, 20 minutes away from where i live with my kids. whatever. i watched your shows all during that time period. when it's in your backya...

>> no. because i've seen what happens. it's only about money, like everything else in the united states. when bloomberg and giffords raised enough money, they beat the nra in three states. so all of a sudden it's money. if there are good-minded people like jeffrey katzenberg, or silicon valley, where there's money, you can beat these people. so i'm not worried. it's a money game. you know, and we can raise the money. the movie will be an entertainment. the movie will be entertaining, but just, i think the anticipation for the movie, the best thing for the film, and i know a lot of people don't...

With everything else that's going on. >> are you proud of this brand destroying thing that you've created? >> she's wonderful in the film. it's a difficult part. i would say, tracy let su wrote the piece, won the pulitzer prize for it. he showed it roughly based on his grandmother. when he asked his mother to read it, he was nervous about it. after she finished reading it, she looked at him and said, oh, son, you were very kind to my mother. [ laughter ] >> i would have to say that she's much nicer than my grandmother. i think many of us have mepeopl in our families who are complicated that we...