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Either one of them. i tried to contact the company that they -- that they were involved with that invested in these loans. and they wouldn't give a comment either. you know, i think it's -- when these people did these loans and they took -- took these bailout moneys, i don't think they expected it would become public. remember at the time, all of the transactions were going to be confidential. they only became public because of an act of congress. so i think this is a big surprise for a lot of the people who are on this list. they never expected this to come out. >> now that it has, the type o...

They'll come to some kind of a deal. in the meantime, one of the big issues are what they call these riders, and these are things that really don't have anything to do with the budget, like killing planned parenthood, killing npr funding, this kind of thing. so, they have to work their way through these riders that the house republicans attached to the budget and then they'll come to an agreement. >> you talk about john boehner kind of putting himself in a corner. how about the president having put himself in a corner when it comes to libya and saying that gadhafi must go? >> it's a problem fo...

Can't be touched. the real money in the entitlements, social security and medicare and medicaid, and unless we do something about those, you can't balance the budget. you can't fix the deficit or the national debt by killing npr or national endowment for the humanities or the arts. nice political chatter, but that doesn't do it, and i'm very put off when people just say let's go back and freeze to the level two years ago. don't tell me you're going to freeze to a level. that usually is a very inefficient way of doing it. tell me what you're going to cut, and nobody up there yet is being very, ...

And medicare and medicaid, and unless we do something about those, you can't balance the budget. you can't fix the deficit or the national debt by killing npr or national endowment for the humanities or the arts. nice political chatter, but that doesn't do it, and i'm very put off when people just say let's go back and freeze to the level two years ago. don't tell me you're going to freeze to a level. two years ago. that usually is a very inefficient way of doing it. tell me what you're going to cut, and nobody up there yet is being very, very candid about what they are going to cut to fix thi...

Vote on it because the president had said you need to have, i think, it was 14 votes out of the 19 and they could not get 14 yes votes so will they -- will the president come back to some of those ideas? he alluded to the fact after the bust of the deficit panel that he actually likes some of those ideas. so now republicans are saying will we hear about those in the state of the union address? >> yeah, and essentially, the feeling is we're going to cut the deficit. just not now. that's what the democrats are saying. republicans are saying are you kidding me? what do you think we're here for? e...