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All time. They didnt correct her once, and they corrected me on everything practically, Nine Times. The audience absolutely went crazy. And the real i thought it was i walked off and said, that was a great debate. I loved it. Well, i mean, yeah. You know, the stage hands were going crazy. Did he know there was there was a Hound Dog howling up in the balcony of abc. You know, Peter Jennings brought it originally. Willie, the crowd went crazy. What debate is he talking about . Is he confusing the debate with the Taylor Swift concert . Our crowd in the studio, joe, every time i provide a piece of...

Some sort of provocative act from the north korean side. so this is -- this is why i'm saying it's not just a pivotal moment for the defense secretary who was up on the -- at the dmz today, i think the entire region could soon become significantly more tense than we've been used to seeing it over the last several months even. >> richard engel, live in seoul. thank you very much. i want to head over back in d.c. to the pentagon with nbc's hans nichols. the pentagon and white house talk about military options but from all of our reporting there just aren't many that don't involve putting seoul...

Underscore the need for a new counter offensive. what do these world leaders need to do now? >> they need to look ahead. they need to really make sure they have the organizational capability and capacity to deal with this threat. we need to keep isis front and center. it is an act of war as president hollande indicated. we need to look at those abilities and capacities where we can help each other together to reduce risk against isis. we need to really, as we have the last ten years with al-qaeda, we need to deny, disrupt and defeat isis and it needs to have certain principles associated with ...

Predecessors. i don't think he is breaking any new ground here. >> chris: and therefore you don't think he's in violation of the war powers act? >> no, and i think -- but i think he has been clear as well, that he would welcome the congress passing a resolution of support. >> chris: secretary gates, is the u.s. involved in hostilities, in libya? >> the way i like to put it is from our standpoint at the pentagon, we are involved in a limited kinetic operation. if i'm in qaddafi's palace, i suspect, i think i'm at war. >> chris: the reason i'm asking, of course is president obama -- and you duck...

The same thing if it was a republican. >> i think, also, the left is split on this war. i mean, we don't have a coherent left. >> jon: is it war? >> is it a war or as they call it a kinetic operation? i do not like that term, but, but, andrew sullivan said it was recklessness bordering on bush-cheney, wow. but the heart of the main street media is not left, it's not right. it's in the middle. and falanx what the president is doing. >> jon: why? >> i think they identify with hillary clinton and susan rice and love that story. the women get their war. >> jon: and the media do not seem to be aski...